The other day three of the liquidators of the Chernobyl accident - were residents of Vitebsk Ukrainian awards issued for the 25th anniversary of the tragedy. Memorial cross "25 years after the Chernobyl disaster" was awarded Anatoly Gnevko, chairman of the Vitebsk Regional organizations affected by the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Signs Award "25 years of heroic deeds" were Alexander Mikulin and Sergei Ikonnikov.
On this occasion, the "Dialogue" spoke to those who struggled with the consequences of the worst industrial disaster in history.
Says retired Colonel Anatoly Gnevko, former chief of staff in the aftermath of the accident in the Chernobyl zone:
- We were in Kiev on the 25th anniversary of the Chernobyl accident. Representatives we had seven people. That was last year, April 26, 2011.
For the 25th anniversary, we have been awarded the Order of the Ukrainian - "Chernobyl cross." Total was awarded five of Vitebsk. This was published in the newspaper, on this occasion I even put on a form of its military to raise the spirits of our Chernobyl.
Now, I want to say that Chernobyl awards made ??in many states, now independent, independent. At a meeting in Kiev were representatives from Lithuania with their national awards. From Armenia were. From Kyrgyzstan...
All the rest of the country also have their rewards. Our meeting was a Latvian one. So they have a medal as big and its variant, so to speak, in a small, small size. Here he came with such awards ... We do not exist, and they have. How is it? It is difficult to understand.
I gather a collection of.. Chernobyl icons. So a week ago I was given a badge that the 20th anniversary of Germany released - they are worried. But we do not worry, we have no problem "did not exist."
We - the only state where the problems of Chernobyl "no." Therefore, any medal, commemorative signs have not produced. I do not know of a single icon, released in Belarus dedicated to Chernobyl issues. Here I got a - "Belarusian Military District," but that in Soviet times, they were published.
Thank Ukrainians, thanks Russians that they do not forget us, remember us. A Homeland we forgot! We do not need them. Why do they need an extra burden?
Why? We have no problems of Chernobyl. We were told all the speeches that the problems of Chernobyl all resolved. There are no problems. People can go, be occupied, to live, to eat - there, they say, clean production, even cleaner than in other areas, unpolluted. Such is the situation ...
It's a shame, of course, that we put our health on the altar of the Fatherland and Motherland forgot us! Forgot...
Raised the topic continues Sergei Ikonnikov. When the accident occurred, it is as a chemical officer with the rank of lieutenant was called up from the reserves and was appointed commander of a platoon of radiation chemical reconnaissance regiment in the Belarusian civil defense. While the regiment was in the 30-km zone:
- Indeed, Ukraine remembers us, Russia remembers. Now I have a rewards are Russian - complete all printing to the Russian identity. The Ukrainian - Ukrainian press.
But the Belarusian side the only thing I have is - is from the Minister for Emergency Situations of the Republic of Belarus charter. That's it. Yes, and it was in the early 1990s.
Back when there were 20 Years After Chernobyl, the date when noted in us, in the Palace of the Republic in Minsk. There arrived from Kazakhstan, from Kyrgyzstan, Chechnya ... - Were everywhere. Now forget about Chernobyl.
Therefore, modern awards and no. After all, we're not there Chernobyl problem. What could be the reward, if there is no problem?
His thoughts on the relationship of Representatives of Belarus to the Chernobyl problem shared by Alexander Mikulin. In 1996, he studied at the Police Academy of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, from which was sent to Chernobyl:
- When all the delegations arrived in Kiev - was not only the Belarusian leader, our president. Because at this time, for some reason he was offended by someone and did not come.
The question is: is it possible to be offended when the heads of state of the Slavic present and share the common problem? This is our common pain.
As for the awards. There is actually a Belarusian reward. But we do not get it. Why? For what reason?
Here are my friends told me that in all the states produced one award, and all those who participated, it is awarded. As for us in the state turns out that Chernobyl is that like the power, and there is a Chernobyl that stand in other positions, the positions of the world, on the universally recognized human positions.
Chernobyl those who in power - they reward themselves. When it was 25 years in the Parliament of Belarus awards went. Members of parliament, who was at Chernobyl. Them there were few, but were. This is the Internet, there is information available.
I've now looked at the current cadence, who heads the commission Chernobyl who are members of the commission. None of them was in Chernobyl. However, they solve the problems of Chernobyl. Our problems are solved by people who are not familiar with these problems and do not know anything.
Now the state is exchanging certificates Chernobyl, said to "Dialogue" interlocutors.
Anatoly Gnevko:
- We are, of course, not entirely agree with this exchange. After all, we were the liquidators, but became victims only.
Go appeals: "Come on, my documents, or on January 1, you will not pay anything, all benefits will be canceled - who would not trade." And exchanged only somewhere around 60 percent. That is 40 percent - that's probably the ones who have gone to another world, or just do not want this to mess with. Rather, 30 percent went to another world.
Sergei Ikonnikov:
- The authorities believe that there is already liquidators. In Vitebsk, Belarus in general has not even this class - the people who were in liquidation. Here's an icon - "Talk emergency liquidation", its all in the Soviet time the liquidators were given. So the icon is not possible to wear, it's just a relic would be. Not any more liquidators...
Alexander Mikulin:
- Yes, now we all have not liquidators and victims. Now there will be a difference between the liquidators and persons. But the difference does exist. After all, immigrants - people who had fallen on his head misfortune, they immediately took, resettled. They received monetary compensation for what they lost. And we, the liquidators have lost health, we have not received payment.
The question of the perceived benefits of the liquidators with irony.
Anatoly Gnevko:
- Benefits? I'll tell you what benefits a reality. My kids are out of order to be admitted to nursery, kindergarten and out of the competition to go to schools in Belarus.
There are still benefits such as vacation time convenient for the victim.
As for the cash component, somewhere, 10.5 percent, depending on who was where, until retirement added.
Such are the benefits. That is, the problems we face as if not, we are all well and growing. But I want to note that the number of cancer, cancer have increased and increased.
And more. When we go to the clinic - and I have a lot sorts of diseases, and I have to once a month, at least, to visit an endocrinologist, I had surgery on the thyroid gland, and therapists - and so, being in the line, I sometimes use this privilege as a doctor's visit out of turn. And then, I see, so there was no old women, war veterans, who for 90 years already.
As for health care says Sergei Ikonnikov:
- We have been here in Vitebsk branch of the Institute of Radiation Medicine. When the new building of the Institute was opened, the opening came Lukashenko. Like, the state takes care of the liquidators, of Chernobyl, of migrants, all is well ...
Time has passed. Here I come, and I say, 'Sergey, all, take my card. " - "What's the matter?" - "Kosinets picks up the building." - I say, "How picks?" - "And just like that, a medical university hospital."
I then made ??an appointment to a representative of the President of the Vitebsk region. Well, come to him and told about the situation, even the paper fell. "They say - I say - so, close." - "And it looks as governor?" - Said: "We have to ask the governor, but we are opposed to shut down."
But what profit is it us who will listen? This is somewhere in the 2005-2006 year were such plans to the Chernobyl problem withdraw completely from the life of Belarus.
Now left Gomel Republican Scientific Research Institute of Radiation Medicine. So there is Whack! There will not get. Special direction should be there ...
When Lukashenko came, everybody was saying that we have a lot of immigrants, that our health care, and all that. Well, that's caring ...
Now even to do an ultrasound of internal organs Chernobyl - I disabled Chernobyl - it must be a month and a half or two turn wait to do this research. "All for the good of man ..."
The institute closed ... I'm in the clinic at the entrance says, who has the right to go out of turn. I'm going. Since called me to pass a medical examination. I come, I say, "I need to pass a medical examination, to pass there, there." - "There is no stamp." Well, no coupons, do not. I turned around, went to the head of clinic ... As long as you do not go somewhere to go - nothing, no one broke. Only left hand to wave ...
According to Anatoly Gnevko, this attitude of the state to the subject of Chernobyl is directly related to the construction of Ostrovets nuclear power plants:
- Because supposedly we do not have any of the Chernobyl problem to blunt the vigilance of the people. I've always said that in order to build the station, you must first work out the options for the development of the situation in the event of an accident. Does anything about it ...
As I know, in the Ostrovets District are part of the internal forces. But it is for protection. And that to eliminate the consequences? I think that there's nothing there. And if something happens, a situation like Chernobyl, then all that we have experienced again. Therefore, the chosen place at the borders to other states intervened. It is the policy ...
Against nuclear power in Ostrovets expressed and Sergey Ikonnikov:
- With me at the first congress of the Union "Chernobyl" was Professor George F. Lepine, our Vitebsk physicist. So it was an article in the newspaper "atom is no peace." Atom is never peaceful - like you or not, as no vertical - the atom is an atom. He is unpredictable.
Nuclear power plant. Russia is right, she agreed: let Belarusians build a nuclear power plant on its territory. All the same, they will take power. But for us the electricity will not be cheaper. Build a nuclear power plant, build two hydropower plants - in Polotsk and in Beshenkovichi. But as we were paying 70 rubles per kilowatt, so by that time, perhaps, we will pay 170.
I do not know what kind of plant to be built in Ostrowiec that there will be. We probably will not live to see the time. But I am against the construction. Against the peaceful atom, which does not happen peacefully.
According to Alexander Mikulin, before building Ostrovetskaya NPP must learn the lessons of Chernobyl:
- We say, economic progress requires the state that it should be independent. Therefore, they say, building nuclear power plants in Ostrovets. On the one hand progress is progress. There is no escape. It will be good or bad in the end - it will know then.
But there are lessons. What are the lessons taken? Imagine that build nuclear power plants, running, running. Something had happened. Who is going to eliminate something then, seeing such a negative attitude towards us? Yes no soldier would not. After all, life - is the most valuable thing a person is given. And what did he get, if the liquidators? Disrespect, callousness - what we have now.
Vitebsk Chernobyl believe that we can learn from the neighboring countries, for example Russia:
Sergei Ikonnikov:
- I come from Russia, from Karelia. And now I come to Karelia. In Karelia there is such a city Pudozh. So here is the first member of the party there was Bob Malikov. And there he put the monument. Livestock and Chernobyl. In memory. I do not know how many people were in Karelia in Chernobyl, but I know that people have also been called out to eliminate the consequences of the accident. And there they are remembered.
Anatoly Gnevko:
- I was in Leningrad. And went to see his uncle, he was 86 years old. He says, "Come, I'll show you a Chernobyl memorial." They have in the neighborhood of Chernobyl monument. Uncle comes, hat pulled off. "Come on, - he says - then sit on a bench near the monument." Watching: People stop near the monument. Fit men who cross, who would remove his hat. We have the same problems like these do not ...
The liquidators believe that such a monument should be in Vitebsk:
Anatoly Gnevko:
- Some time ago I spoke and asked that if there is no money in the state and build a monument to Chernobyl area, so let's at least put a stone, and the stone on one side of the inscription is: "It will be a monument to Chernobyl victims of the accident, and the liquidators' . - So the reaction to my proposal no.
Alexander Mikulin:
- Riverside Vitba recreational and sports complex is, there is an island there. We want to come up with an initiative to there, in the park, put the memory of the Chernobyl tragedy. And, as for example, Island of Tears in Minsk is Afghan, here - the island of tears the memory of Chernobyl.
What is it for? Well, you see, is the memory that is needed alive. Need to educate people in self-sacrifice, that there was a positive example ...
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